Posted through David FG top top April 12, 2008 in ~ 05:13:In reply to: Thirteenth punch of the clock post by RRC ~ above April 11, 2008 in ~ 14:50:: : : : : : : : too ~ Forum Members,: : : : : : : : the is requested to kindly furnish the exact definition of phrase/saying/ideom - "Thirteenth hit of the clock".: : : : : : : i think to provide an exact definition would call for some context. "Stroke of the clock" refers to the bell/chime being struck on the hour, i.e. A clock ring a bell when for every hour of the time. One ring = 1 o"clock, two rings = 2 o"clock, etc. Timeless clocks only note 12 hours (after 12 rings, the following hour would have one ring), so the thirteenth punch of the clock is once the clock announces an difficult time.: : : : : : One sense in i m sorry the phrase is regularly offered was coined, i believe, by A p Herbert, the feeling writer on British legitimate matters. He contrasted a comment by a witness in a court situation to "the thirteenth hit of a stunner clock" - the remark to be not just unbelievable in itself, however proved the witness self to be so totally unreliable that it discredited everything he had actually previously said. (VSD): : : : : one more sense in i m sorry it has actually been provided is the "magical" sense. So, in the children"s book "Tom"s Midnight Garden" (Philippa Pearce, 1958), the young young enters the magic garden as soon as the clock strikes 13 (an impossible and also therefore miracle time). When confirming my memory on that, I likewise found a mystery/suspense novel by Herbert Brean "The Clock Strikes 13" . And, probably because 13 is an unlucky number, there are likewise the horror uses - a band dubbed "The Demons" has actually a song called "Clock strikes 13" and Emily the strange (a character favoured by young goth girls) has actually a clock with a 13 instead of a 12. I should additionally mention, the in these offers "13 o"clock" is the difficult time which adheres to on from 12 midnight (also an ominous time), no 13 o"clock in the sunny afternoon. Pamela: : : : much more prosaically, it might just average that the clock is broken. Context of your use would help here yet it"s possible to imagine who describing a broken piece of equipment in the terms "it"s prefer the 13th chime that a clock" - I have actually a couple of old long-case clocks and also they consistently chime the wrong hour due, I"m told by mine clock repairer to just wear and tear and poor past servicing over the several 100 years due to the fact that they were first made. I also have a mass created 19thC clip clock which got to 127 chimes on several occasions before I quit the chimes!: : : : The 13th chime the the clock is just one of the suggested origins for the speak "saved through the bell" ns think the boxing ring is far much more likely, however the clock version goes something like this.: : : : "A guard in ~ Windsor castle in the victorian times was accused of gift asleep on night duty. He intensely denied this and, in his defence, claimed that he had heard huge Ben (which is, that course, a bell and could it is in heard in Windsor in those days prior to traffic and also Heathrow Airport) chime 13 in ~ midnight. The mechanism was checked and also it was discovered that a gear or cog had actually slipped and also that the bell had actually indeed chimed 13 the vault night. He was truly conserved by the Bell.": : : must be pretty according to up nearby to lug 22 miles also when there were simply trees and birds in the way.: : : Q: What time is it once your clock strikes 13?: : : A: Time to acquire a new clock.: : The "sleeping sentry" story is true (at least, the man pertained to really existed and also was informing the story, true or otherwise, in his old age) but it took ar in the reign of William and also Mary, no "Victorian times", and also the bell was the of St Paul"s Cathedral, not big Ben (which the course yes, really is Victorian, very first rung in 1859). You can read the initial version of the story here: . But it definitely has naught whatsoever to execute with "saved by the bell" which as JB (and the Thesaurus) states is boxing slang. (VSD): In addition to being nearly 2 miles further from Windsor, accordint to St. Paul"s Cathedral"s very own site, the bells are not component of a clock however are supplied to ring "changes" (the time of services) and the bell the would have been over there at the moment was particularly cast and also not "Old Tom" relocated from some various other clock.

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Hmm...I"m with RRC on this one. Also in the days before motorized traffic, to hear a church bell over 20 mile away...?The civilization living all over near the bells(be it conference or St Paul"s) would have actually been shaken from their beds through the noise, surely? it would have been deafening.I doubt the Queen (living just down the road) would have been really much "not amused".DFG